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hello everyone this is martin willis

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with podcast ufo for episode number 10

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with paula harris couple of

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announcements we have a number of

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start posting them once a week that may

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to bi-weekly you can follow us on

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i have to say i'm really enjoying doing

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this podcast i get a lot of email and i

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encourage you to write my email address

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is info at

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ufo.com today's guest is a wonderful

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woman named paula harris she's lived

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part of her life in italy

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and part of her life here in the states

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very interesting she's a woman of

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integrity

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and please check out her latest book i

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hi everyone i have paula harris on the

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line how you doing paula

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i'm doing well thank you thanks so much

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for joining us and um actually it was

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first dr lynn katai told me to get in

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touch with you and you're pretty good

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friends with her very good friends she's

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done so much for consciousness of

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of uh the ufo phenomenon because of the

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phoenix lights very courageous lady yes

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definitely and one of the reasons uh um

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i was fascinated

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uh and wanted you on the show as i

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looked at your bio and you have a

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connection with italy

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and so

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you are

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uh doing work in italy and in the united

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states can you talk about that sure i'm

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italian uh my uh my father was the

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italian council for the state of rhode

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island and

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in years ago i used to live there and i

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i came over to this country but in 1979

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as a married woman with children i saw

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the movie close encounters of the third

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kind my formal background is of a

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masters in education and teach high

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school english so i was teaching a class

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called science fiction in 1979 and i

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went to see close encounters at the very

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end of that film when uh francois

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truffaut who represented

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has a contact with these beings it's a

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very emotional contact and and i broke

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into tears and didn't know why i had

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that reaction but when i did my research

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i found out that dr j allen heineck the

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astronomer who was the head of kufos

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center for ufo studies in evanston

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illinois and former project manager for

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blue book uh was was a consultant with

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spielberg so by accident and there are

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no coincidences but my life is full of

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them i met alan heineck and evanston

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because i was at a wedding there

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and when i walked into the center for

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ufo studies he said to me uh you speak

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italian i said yes and he said would you

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do my italian translation so because of

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my work with him from 1980 to 86 when he

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died and my travels with him i knew

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right away that this was real it isn't

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like do you believe in ufos this is a

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scientist he taught me how to research

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he taught me the field i even have my

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little kufos card for research and so as

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i was you know doing my regular job

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teaching i also traveled with ellen

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heineck and that's how i got started

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because this is not a normal kind of

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thing

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that's right um and i also saw that you

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met uh colonel phillip corso who had to

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do with roswell yeah that was another

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coincidence because um i was working in

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italy at the time it was uh

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1997 and my boss uh you know the the

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head of uh area 51 magazine italian

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magazine said for me to go to uh to

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and try to find this this man uh i had

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never i didn't even know what he looked

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like who had written the book the day

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after roswell which basically deals with

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back engineering alien technology my

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boss maurizio told me somehow to find

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him and to do an interview with him and

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when i got to roswell uh it was a big

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party i mean this was the 50th

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anniversary everybody was there from

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whitley's favor to john mack to

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and so what happened was which was very

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interesting i got to roswell i didn't

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i went to the press club i said i can't

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stay 15 miles away from here i said i've

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got to stay here and they said we're all

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booked but try to go to the phone book

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and see if you can find a place to stay

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i opened up the phone book it was the

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sally poured in i called them they had

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one room available

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for three days and it was the room next

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to colonel phillip corso

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that's great

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so what happened was i went to the

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museum there where he was doing the

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press

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conference and he said he wanted to talk

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to me because i was italian and

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we formed a friendship he was you know

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the head of research and development at

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the pentagon i told him i was from italy

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i consequently invited him to italy

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and during the two conferences that we

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presented and it was a real

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eye-opener for me in my research i wrote

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the preface to the day after roswell in

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italian we translated the book and i've

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got to honestly tell you that that was

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the only place he spoke there was a

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lawsuit against the book here in the

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united states

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so there was never any um

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there was never any

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talking in the united states or colonel

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corso never really attended any

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conferences or anything everything we

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found out we found out in europe

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is that right now i've seen him

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interviewed before

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are you just saying that he would he

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wouldn't publicly speak no he couldn't

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he couldn't because when there's a

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lawsuit your lawyers tell you you can't

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you can't speak he was interviewed by uh

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george i think it was no art bell at the

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time and different people on phone but

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he didn't like do a conference uh the

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only conference he did was the one at

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the

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ufo museum in roswell i think he did

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maybe one or two small ones in florida

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where he lived

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but the thing that was he had so much so

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much to tell

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and what we got in europe or we got a

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documents from his original notes you

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know the boat the book was uh

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co-written with bill burns but we got

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the original notes which we published in

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italy called dawn of a new age for the

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people who want the original notes they

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can go to openminds tv because i think

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his son

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has given uh sold the the original notes

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to open minds tv and people could read

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them and because there's been criticism

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uh of the book here because of

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inaccuracies but his original notes are

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so he also talked to us about the

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philadelphia experiment he talked about

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time travel he talked about all kinds of

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things when he was in italy and the

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thing that's important though from my

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research and i'm sharing this with you

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is that i never understood

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why the secret was was secret i thought

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it was about panic or about aliens

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well i found out from being with corso

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that the reason why

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it's a very

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uh important secret for security reasons

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is because of the back engineered

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technology and i'm talking about craft

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uh that and besides artifacts

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and that is in the when you have that

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you that is a monetary economic thing

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and these these ufos are not using

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fossil fuel or oil to fly around with

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did he get into details of actually

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seeing these things in person well

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you're asking a really interesting

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question my i have written five books my

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first book connecting the dots

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making sense of the ufo phenomenon has

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the first interview colonel corso gave

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i never printed because i thought people

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would think he was crazy

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and if you want to if you want me to i

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can tell you what he told me sure um

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yeah he basically when when you know i

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was in the room next to him he came into

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my room he started telling me that

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he thought that what had happened to

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roswell was the two crash

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appeared in 1957

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that they both went out of a time

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sequence and i asked him why

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and he said because he was the head of a

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missile battalion in red canyon in 1957

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he said and he was flying over an area

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where he saw a craft on the ground and

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consequently went over to it alone with

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his jeep and he he saw the craft

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appearing and disappearing and he said

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he threw some cactus under it and it

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squashed a cactus so he knew it was

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physical

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uh in it but going in and out of a

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dimension and he said he turned to the

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left and there's this being came out of

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a cave

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he sent me as a um the facts of what the

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being looked like the being had around

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it had a silver band with a some kind of

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red stone in the middle and he proceeded

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course it proceeded to tell me that that

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they had several of these at the

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pentagon that it was an interface

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which really confused me but anyway he

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he pulled out his gun he pointed it at

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the being he said

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he said friend or foe and and and then

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he asked me he said guess what he said

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back and i said neither and colonel

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corso said that's right he said neither

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friend nor foe and the being asked

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colonel corso to shut down the radar so

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he could take off because in those days

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that radar was so powerful it brought

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down the craft it was almost like a

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weapon and corso said well what do you

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have to offer me

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and the being repeated telepathically a

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new world if you can take it

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and so corsa writes this down on a

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napkin and says paula what does this

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mean and i said you know i can't tell

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you what this means i said to him not

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only can i tell you what this means i i

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i don't know if i could print this and i

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didn't not until after he died because i

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just wanted him to talk about

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you know the artifacts he had from the

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roswell crash i don't want him to talk

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about contact it's really hard for me

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to talk about contact because it's not

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in my data bank

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but can i tell you that you know if he

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had stayed with the back engineer

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technology which are the fiber optics

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integrated circuits night screening

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devices

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uh uh that he had talked about having uh

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and and the high tenacity fibers which

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he told me he had if he had stayed with

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that you know he said he had these

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things in a in a file that was given to

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him by general trudeau and that that's

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nuts and bolts for me as a journalist i

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can deal with that i i can't deal with

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this other story but ever since he died

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in

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and and a new world if you can take it

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can you imagine what that could mean

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well

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that's something

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some of the stories are hard for me to

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swallow i had stan romanek on

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um i i and i

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told him that i didn't believe a lot of

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the stuff he said

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can i tell you though i covered the stan

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roman x story

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uh seven years ago i started covering it

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and i never printed anything i'm like

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that i'll do research i won't print

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anything but i can guarantee you if

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somebody asked me today that is the best

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documented case i've seen the films i've

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i've uh over the years i've seen what's

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happened to him i i have gotten one of

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his audrey calls

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and i've been in this house when weird

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stuff has happened i took swiss tv over

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there to film an interview with him and

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the faucet turned on by itself i mean

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and

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things that just i don't know who in the

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world is messing with stan but

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stan is very much uh

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a a very interesting case and i wish

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people would research that

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it's been seven years i've looked into

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this and

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i think maybe it stopped right now but

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the downloading of the of these formulas

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understand has not got an education

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these formulas have gone to top-level

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physicists and that's not normal

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and they're anti-gravity formulas and i

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know the physicists that are looking at

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them because they're friends of mine and

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their top government physicists and

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and and i don't know how can somebody

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download anti-gravity stuff that's if

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you've seen these formulas that go on

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for pages

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and so i'm thinking okay well somebody's

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messing with dance so the the

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i agree with you though because i can't

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deal with contact

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stories uh

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i knew john mack very well and he's good

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at it yvonne smith is very good at it uh

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you know there are other people out in

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the field that do that kind of work that

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that you know are very good at it well i

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uh

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i try to be open-minded and i let stan

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say his thing and and we had a lot of

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downloads he has a lot of people

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that believe in him

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for sure and i had a lot of emails after

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that

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i wanted to ask you what is italy like

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are italian people more open-minded to

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the ufo phenomenon god you have such

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good questions

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thank you

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well that's true it's because you know

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i've had to compare i lived there from

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1992 to 2007 and i spoke in all those

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countries spain and switzerland and

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france and i've spoken in germany

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and the thing is that it's it's older

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it's an older

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continent so the thing is that these

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people are looking at it not

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you know as a curiosity it's not

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disneyland over there the the people

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that attend the conferences over there

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do not wear t-shirts or you know uh

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tinfoil hats they are physicists and

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scientists and professors and

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professional people that are sincerely

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concerned and sincerely curious

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about this phenomenon and they know that

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if a pilot like

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jean-charles dubois who is part of the

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kameta report i interviewed him in my

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book stargate to a new reality

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if he's having a problem because he sees

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a ufo over paris

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uh and he's got a commercial airliner

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and he's part of the cometa report as i

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said this is this is a real serious

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issue

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uh and and they're looking at what can

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be done to make this field serious and

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you ask me how it's covered well when i

389
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lived in italy at this on the six

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o'clock news we got the the mexican

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campes story about the uh nine ufos

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around the the that plane that military

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plane and and the guy that talked about

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it on the six o'clock news was so

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knowledgeable about ufos that he

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compared it to the his dahlin norway

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lights which means somewhere they had a

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background on the research because there

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is a continuing

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phenomenon in in norway uh it has darlin

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so i'm going boy these guys are really

402
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good yeah these guys are good they go

403
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in other words they don't look at it as

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something strange they look at it as a

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phenomenon that's real i mean we know

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it's real and but it should be studied

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seriously i agree 100 percent i've

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brought this up a number of times a lot

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of it has to do with funding and uh

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and people are afraid of their careers

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being washed up well yeah carl sagan

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knew i mean he was east coast person he

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was cornell university

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carl sagan knew that it was real i mean

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he told allen i remember alan telling

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the allen heineck dr jalen honey you

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tell alan

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look i i'm not going to go out there

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until you're crazy i lose all my funding

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he says i know it's real of course if

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you look at blue book

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carl sagan is listed as one of the

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people who was on the committee there i

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mean he's looking at blue book files

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which are you know air force files he

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knows it's you know and then he goes on

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television it talks about an amoeba

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yes you know there's this life in the

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universe well

430
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this amoeba is not flying the craft

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that we're seeing

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well it's funny i think it's interesting

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that carl sagan seemed to be so against

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the phenomenon of us being visited yet

435
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he had something to do with contact yes

436
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the movie contact actually was a book

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first was written by carl sagan i think

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just personally that it was his attempt

439
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to kind of to kind of uh you know to

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tell the truth in the end because he

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knew he was dying and

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in the movie contact not only was there

443
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a problem with time that that missing

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time but there was also alien contact in

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the form of jodie foster's father so

446
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carl knew and i think you know and when

447
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push comes to shove in the end if you

448
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know that the time is up you tell the

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truth and i think that carl i know that

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carl knew but at the very end he did a

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beautiful beautiful thing by presenting

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us with that gift of the movie contact

453
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yeah that was uh that was

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one of my favorite movies for many years

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i love that movie if the something like

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that happened

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and followed all the way through where

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there were 14 hours of blank tape on her

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headset that would be just swept under

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the rug

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you know

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they just kind of ignored that whole

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part of it and that that was just so

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true to nature the way things are well

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yeah but you got to look at what vested

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interest people have in disclosure

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other countries are curious so we have

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brazil that have filed and it comes out

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of the military we have

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england that has a you know that release

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their files they just don't want to deal

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with it but they've released their files

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and people should be reading them

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because that's where actually i

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interviewed milton torres who was a

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pilot

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uh in

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1957 who was ordered to shoot down a ufo

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over mazdan

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air force base in england and he was in

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that report that came out he's an

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american

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serviceman but he came out in that

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report so he was able to talk and i'll

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tell you it's a heavy burden for these

486
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guys he started to to get very emotional

487
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when i asked him you were ordered to

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shoot down a ufo and you saw it and he

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said yes

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and he got emotional because he was

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sworn to secrecy until this file was

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released and he really wanted to tell

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his dad and his dad died uh about three

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years before this file was released so

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these guys have to keep a secret

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and then the other thing that's

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important about this was they're ordered

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to shoot these things down

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that doesn't make any sense i mean you

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know it would make total sense why no

501
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one would want to totally reveal

502
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themselves to us well yeah that's one of

503
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the things is that we are a hostile

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group well i think they're looking at us

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uh as just what we're doing to each

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other after all these centuries i mean

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we haven't really evolved very much and

508
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so a friend of mine renato longado talks

509
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about the alien agenda as

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the different cultures and they're not

511
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all gray i have so many stories of human

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type aliens but the different cultures

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that are visiting are looking at us

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as if they are cosmic anthropologists

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and and they're looking at the human

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race to see how far it's progressed and

517
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i i dare say

518
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it it really hasn't

519
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gone very far no you know the only thing

520
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that's advanced is our technology

521
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we have not i don't think we've uh i

522
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don't think we've advanced as a species

523
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we're still very primitive

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and uh we're still very tribal they they

525
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most likely

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uh could you know destroy us

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and

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you know if they have the technology

529
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they have um and i think they just

530
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they obviously don't mind us seeing them

531
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because enough people see them there's

532
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like a thousand sightings a day

533
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worldwide or something like that

534
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so they obviously don't mind us seeing

535
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them but as far as interacting that's

536
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where they draw the line so it makes

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total sense that they would be observing

538
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only well see the thing is they they do

539
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i think that they do interact with

540
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certain people that's why you know i

541
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,120
know for for a fact they've interacted

542
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with travis walton and with stan romack

543
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which are the two cases that i will

544
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support as a journalist but the thing is

545
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that they interact with people they feel

546
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they can interact with but as far as the

547
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visitations even colonel corso used to

548
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say

549
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you know it's ridiculous to believe that

550
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they're good bad or indifferent you know

551
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they're neither they're just there

552
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,520
and if they wanted to destroy us we

553
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,960
wouldn't have a chance they've got a

554
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,760
technology that's far superior however

555
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,760
in the way that we think

556
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,240
uh you know we're we can we're thinking

557
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,400
of developing weapons to shoot them out

558
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,280
of the air uh and and

559
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,760
yeah because that's the mentality i mean

560
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,000
that has been the mentality of the human

561
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,559
being since the beginning of time

562
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,200
there's just very few people

563
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,039
i think on the planet that want to look

564
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,400
for a diplomatic uh solution to this and

565
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,840
that's why

566
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,919
in the beginning i wanted to go from

567
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:32,640
ufology for me the traditional ufology

568
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:33,760
which was

569
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,400
exopolitics my books i have three

570
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,200
exopolitics books and basically

571
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,159
exopolitics the definition for me

572
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,559
is the scholarly study of the alien

573
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,520
presence on earth and it's not an amoeba

574
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,200
and the implications both sociological

575
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,600
and political for the planet i mean i'm

576
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,080
looking at some kind of diplomacy here

577
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,880
if if we ever had contact we literally

578
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:02,720
have nothing in place

579
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,480
for a formal contact that i know of that

580
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,360
i know of you mentioned travis uh walton

581
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,799
a minute ago

582
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,880
for that incident that happened to him

583
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,039
which is really amazing

584
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,200
has there been anything reoccurring with

585
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,000
him at all or was it just that one yeah

586
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,000
i would like to talk about these people

587
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,000
because these people i you know when i

588
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,120
was in italy i i paid for their way to

589
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,880
come across the ocean to speak to the

590
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,520
italians and everyone that's like john

591
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,240
mack linda howe richard dolan travis

592
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,720
walton so travis has been to my home in

593
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,600
rome at least three times and i i

594
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,480
believe his story because he's a down to

595
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,120
earth grounded person and

596
00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:47,039
in fact i'm working on his story right

597
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,280
now because for me that is the latest

598
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,440
breaking news in ufology

599
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,679
he appeared at the international ufo

600
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,480
congress with two lumberjacks that were

601
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,640
with him when this all happened and it

602
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,039
was very emotional for their testimonies

603
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:02,960
with travis because one of them asked

604
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,280
for forgiveness for leaving travis there

605
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:07,919
right uh you know he was

606
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,720
they saw the craft they described it uh

607
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,559
they said that the underbelly of the

608
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,360
craft was this white brilliant light

609
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,919
that they had never seen such a white

610
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,400
light and that they were terrorized and

611
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,200
that's why they left travis's body there

612
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:25,679
they thought he was dead and so the fact

613
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,960
that these two lumberjacks came out uh

614
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,360
and the fact that these that travis is

615
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,200
trying to get the rest of them one has

616
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,559
since died dallas has since died but he

617
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,799
wants to get the rest of the guys the

618
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,520
this the other six

619
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,520
uh to come out and speak with him is

620
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,400
that for me the breaking news in ufology

621
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:48,960
we don't really need the substantiation

622
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,919
of his case because it was an fbi

623
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,159
researched case i mean he disappeared

624
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,000
for five days but

625
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,720
the sociological part of that you know

626
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,279
the the emotions that these guys went

627
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,440
through seeing this i think is really

628
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,480
interesting

629
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,279
yeah yeah that's an amazing case that

630
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,320
was back in the 1970s wasn't it yeah it

631
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,279
was in the 1970s and

632
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,080
as far as anything you know current you

633
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,679
know travis has has redone his book

634
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,600
so that it's it's interesting for people

635
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,440
to read i think that people should read

636
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,039
that plus uh

637
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,760
he's wanting to talk about it seriously

638
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,360
i mean travis is one of those people

639
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,279
that's serious about disclosure he wants

640
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,200
to know what's going on i love the

641
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,840
phrase someone uh an earlier earlier

642
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,600
guest said we know that they're here we

643
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,960
just don't know what they are and that

644
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,640
was a borrowed quote that he borrowed

645
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,679
from someone else and uh i think that

646
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,559
fits pretty well a few minutes ago

647
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,440
you said that a lot of aliens were

648
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,679
humanoid and everyone thinks of them as

649
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,279
grace but they're not all greys can you

650
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,360
elaborate a little bit on that

651
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,360
well yeah just look at the travis walton

652
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,080
case i mean he said the the gray beings

653
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,919
were in the room with him he believes

654
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,880
now that

655
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,400
they had some kind of device that

656
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,919
brought him back to life he just was

657
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,320
terrified looking at them but he said

658
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,000
that the beings that took him out of the

659
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,720
craft into the hangar were he said they

660
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:13,840
look like

661
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,279
blonde twins almost clones uh beautiful

662
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,919
blonde people of male and female

663
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,600
and the thing is that not only has

664
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,080
travis reported this i mean i did the

665
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,720
charles hall case he was the weatherman

666
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,039
in 1965

667
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:32,240
in the uh indian springs facility of the

668
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,960
uh

669
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,600
of the area 51 base

670
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,840
in the millennium hospitality books all

671
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,240
four of them show the fact that charles

672
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,799
met tall white beings

673
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,080
with their children who happened to be

674
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,960
hosted by the the uh

675
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,039
the government he said well basically

676
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,279
not the government but the military on

677
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,679
the area 51 base now charles is very

678
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,679
credible is working right now at an air

679
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,960
force base

680
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,840
and if people read that if they read

681
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,520
that they know he's telling the truth

682
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,159
and when i he talked to me about this

683
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,760
and it took me two years to do this

684
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,159
story i wouldn't do the story without

685
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:11,840
finding the other men that work with

686
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,960
charles i found four of them uh

687
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,120
in 1965

688
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,240
that these beings on a technology

689
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:22,880
exchange had their children with them

690
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:27,120
they were uh the the situation was

691
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:27,840
it

692
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,200
very thin

693
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,840
people and when when i realized that

694
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,320
we're talking about people i looked at

695
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,320
backwards at a damski

696
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:43,679
at the fact that he had a contact with a

697
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,960
a person this was a warning against the

698
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,720
uh the atomic

699
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,120
use of atomic weapons and if people

700
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,159
study that then being in italy that same

701
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,320
year that adamski had that contact

702
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,320
another contactee

703
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,039
named eugenio syracusa had a contact

704
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,120
with the very same people

705
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,399
under mount aetna on in sicily i did

706
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,640
research on that and found that there

707
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,399
was a letter from president eisenhower

708
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,360
to this italian contactee so eisenhower

709
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,039
was really involved in these human type

710
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,240
contacts he was involved in it i saw the

711
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,240
letter it's in one of my books

712
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,159
uh who genuine said acoustic described

713
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,080
the same guy blue uh you know kind of uh

714
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,720
suit with long blonde hair

715
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,200
so i went to see billy meyer everybody's

716
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,520
wondering about that case i will support

717
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,480
that case i was on the compound i talked

718
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,559
to the people i talked to guido

719
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,200
mosbruger who wrote and still they fly

720
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,039
is the medical doctor

721
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,520
skeptic who wrote the book on meyer

722
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,320
that is real those pictures are real i

723
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,960
mean they are they i also learned that

724
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:55,120
the japanese bought all his movie

725
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,080
footage

726
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,799
so there and there's no uh fishing pole

727
00:29:03,669 --> 00:28:59,760
with a

728
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,679
movie footage is amazing you see the

729
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,520
craft over the highway with the cars

730
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,480
under it

731
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,559
so this is the guy with one arm so he's

732
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:10,080
not going to easily do something like

733
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,039
that

734
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,440
so you know if you're intelligent

735
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,840
researcher you say why is all the real

736
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,200
human type alien uh contacts being

737
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,840
hidden and what we're brainwashed with

738
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,000
is this idea of the extraterrestrial

739
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:26,080
biological entity which is basically a

740
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,120
clone

741
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,919
a little a little gray that is created

742
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,080
colonel corso basically said that they

743
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,679
knew that it was an extraterrestrial

744
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,840
biological entity because he had the

745
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,679
autopsies he said they were more afraid

746
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,880
of who created that who created the the

747
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:42,320
actual

748
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:43,200
uh

749
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,159
the craft i mean because he said that

750
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,960
that clone or that uh

751
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,039
extraterrestrial biological entity

752
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,760
became one with the craft and could fly

753
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:58,720
that craft so we have to stop thinking

754
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,600
that aliens are these little grey people

755
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:03,919
they're they're uh i'm working on two

756
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,640
italian cases where they're human

757
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,440
and they're human looking and so in a

758
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,240
way

759
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,880
if you are an intelligent person that's

760
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,559
looking at this you're thinking

761
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,960
god didn't just create human beings he

762
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,720
probably created

763
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,320
different planets

764
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:22,000
different

765
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,399
people

766
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,559
on these different planets so

767
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,880
you you know what what what's so

768
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,440
discouraging as a teacher i used to ask

769
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,240
kids to write a research paper and go to

770
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,120
first-hand sources in other words try to

771
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,600
get the actual person today you go on

772
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,840
internet and you get all this gossip

773
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,760
i would never accept that for a research

774
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,399
paper because that secondhand stuff

775
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,120
it's been revamped it's not accurate you

776
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,279
got to go to the real

777
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,760
person you got to talk to travis walton

778
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,399
not read about him and the thing that i

779
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,080
do and i think i'm one of the only

780
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,240
people in the field is i only do

781
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,799
first-hand research i fly all over the

782
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,799
world i speak to people and i cover a

783
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:09,600
story in person that's wonderful so can

784
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,559
you tell me about your latest book and

785
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,360
uh

786
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,679
anything else that's coming up well my

787
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,720
latest book is called ufos how does one

788
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,039
speak to a ball of light and basically

789
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,720
it have seven

790
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,120
and it has nine i'm sorry it has nine uh

791
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,360
protocols for contact

792
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,440
nine different things that we need to

793
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,600
look at like is it our stuff or their

794
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,559
stuff

795
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,200
uh is there a manual for biological

796
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,840
contamination things like that i've put

797
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,559
together seven chapters with real

798
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,880
interviews from top level people

799
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,799
including the ex-defense minister of

800
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,840
canada edgar mitchell apollo 14

801
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,000
astronaut who's a friend of mine yeah

802
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,360
wow

803
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,120
and i just interviewed the daughter of

804
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,519
kenneth arnold that's in the book plus i

805
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,760
just helped clifford stone publish his

806
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,240
book and he did crash retrieval that's

807
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:02,960
in my book and and clifford talks about

808
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,840
his cases in vietnam of meeting live

809
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,519
aliens so

810
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,240
you know the book has this is real now

811
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,159
what do you want to do about it and it's

812
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,159
an incredible book it also goes to the

813
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,240
very end where i talk about

814
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,399
the need for the united nations or a

815
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,559
super united nations to get involved in

816
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,799
this so countries of the world can have

817
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,120
an intelligent discussion and i talk

818
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,519
about lee spiegel who in the 19 he

819
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,760
writes for the huffington post and he's

820
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,480
for me a hero who put it together with

821
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,760
grenada in the 1970s and he had uh

822
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,440
gordon cooper allen heineck uh and uh uh

823
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,120
you know jacques vale and all the people

824
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,600
talking to the united nations that's

825
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,720
basically

826
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,039
what my ultimate goal is to have a

827
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:49,600
universal discussion and dialogue about

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this so that's called ufos how does one

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speak to a ball of light and that's on

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amazon

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what i'm doing just because i want to do

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it is i'd like to give an award to

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angela joiner a mainstream journalist

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who covered the stephenville case and

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lost her job

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so i'm having a 2012 women's symposium

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in glen rose texas

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and the speakers are carol rosen who

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will talk about banning weapons in space

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dr lynn kitai the phoenix lights

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lisa romanock talks about what happened

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to a spouse of a contactee

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um and i i and tracy austin peters who

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has a book uh who has a show on the

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paranormal

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you know basically women who and angela

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joyner will have a panel of the four

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stephenville witnesses so there are guys

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in this conference it's may 18th 19th

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and 20th

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and we're going to be screening the

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hidden hand by james carmen producer

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james carmen it's a documentary that won

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the edie award at the international ufo

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congress

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i know an astronaut that actually walked

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on the moon and there was a uh he was

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involved in a ufo sighting

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um

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but he said he didn't really want to

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talk about it

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so that's a shame well you know it's

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hard because they talked about it and

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then where does it go i mean nothing

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changes here yeah and that's what's so

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sad that's right well i think i think

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you're doing a wonderful job and i'm

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gonna i haven't asked this of another

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guest yet uh on the air but would you

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like to be on the show again i really

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enjoyed you well yeah maybe uh in the

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future i'd love to discuss it and i

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thank you for presenting it in a stable

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and you know

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journalistic manner because i'd like to

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look at this as a serious issue you know

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and i'd like it's like

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it's like studying anything i think we

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need to study this i do too and thank

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you so much for joining us so this is

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martin willis with paula harris and